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Madder Madness by p-e-a-k Madder Madness by p-e-a-k
Watercolours on Bockingford 300 g cold-pressed
56 x 76 cm/ 22" x 30"

More inspiration from last summer in France. Cone Flowers or Echinacea.
I was fooling around with an abstract background and all the madders I could lay my hands on - rose madder, deep madder, purple madder, brown madder..... hence the title.

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PasttheMirror Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2012  Hobbyist
Very nice. Beautiful. They look alive. :)
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Starsong-Studio Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2009  Professional General Artist
So, uhm, Echinachea is "madder" as in the pigment?
I learned something new today.

BTW, could you help me out - what is "yarrow" in German? I keep running into yarrow these days. :O
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p-e-a-k Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2009   Traditional Artist
No, sorry, I'm afraid you've got the wrong end of the stick there; Echinacea and Madder or NOT the same thing!

The flowers in the painting are Echinacea - according to :iconzasu: who knows a lot about plants.

I choose the title "Madder Madness" because I used all the madders in my paint box: Rose Madder Genuine, Deep Madder, Purple Madder, Brown Madder and maybe one or two others, I can't remember.

The German word for Yarrow is Schafgarbe.
Oh yes, and thanks so much for the :+fav: on Yarrow!
:D
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Starsong-Studio Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2009  Professional General Artist
Schafgarbe. Ehrlich. :O

I actually favoured the Echinaceas as well but for some reason DevArt didn't do it.
Madder is my all time favourite pigment (in all its shadings) :D
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p-e-a-k Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2009   Traditional Artist
Thanks for letting me know: I had no note from DA about a :+fav: on Madder Madness either.
Never mind, and thank you very much all the same! :D
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HuoXingC Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2008  Student Traditional Artist
Wow, your echinacea flowers look so realistic compared to the ones I painted. =)
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boywithoutaface Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2008
!!!!!AWESOME not just saying cool literally bringing awe
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p-e-a-k Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2008   Traditional Artist
Many thanks for the :+fav: on Madder Madness and for the :+devwatch: - both much appreciated! :highfive:
Also sorry for the late reply; out of town for the last two weeks.
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simonamoon Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2008  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
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p-e-a-k Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2008   Traditional Artist
Yes, I saw! That's very nice, thank you! :D
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Limetastic Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2008  Professional Photographer
I'm featuring this in my journal! :3
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p-e-a-k Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2008   Traditional Artist
How nice of you, thank you very much! :D
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zasu Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2008
hmmm.... i'm thinking echinacea (purple coneflower) - they look like rudebeckias, but purple, pink or white (i think there is a new peach/orange variety too).

echinacea purpurea is, as you know, a great herbal medicine :D
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p-e-a-k Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2008   Traditional Artist
OH REALLY??? That's where the herbal medicine comes from?? Far out! You really are a fountain of information, dear Val! :hug:
Thanks a million for yet another :+fav:! :D
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zasu Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2008
i think it's from the roots, meaning you have to kill your pretty plants to get the benefits. or else just buy the tincture or pills at the drug store :D
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KelliRoos Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2008  Professional Traditional Artist
Beautiful colors! I love how they jump off that rich, blue background.

Also, I loved reading your comments with *karincharlotte, always insightful! :D
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p-e-a-k Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2008   Traditional Artist
Delighted you like it, Kelli! :D I'll submit it to the club..... I just keep forgetting.
The comments with Karin - yes, we've been chewing the fat there, haven't we! :lmao: Anyway, feel free to join in!
:hug:
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milbisous Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2008
Aha I just read a while ago some Peak gluing to TV to watch the Australian opens from 8AM to 11PM for the last few days. Hmm, so I guess she did not sleep, in order to paint this :giggle: The background is nice and I like the way you painted the core of the drooping flowers :clap:
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p-e-a-k Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2008   Traditional Artist
Thanks amiga, glad you like it! :D
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resada Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2008
This is just beautiful!!!!
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p-e-a-k Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2008   Traditional Artist
Delighted you like it - many thanks for the :+fav:! :D :sun:
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karincharlotte Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2008   Traditional Artist
It doesn't madder...this is gorgeous! :D
I can tell you had fun with this...wow, I never knew there were so many madders...I think I have rose madder...I bet you have every colour available.
I have a question for you: Have you ever heard of neutral tint?
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p-e-a-k Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2008   Traditional Artist
Glad you like it, Karin, big :hug: for the :+fav:! :D :sun: :bounce:
Yes, it was fun to paint, and I think I do have all the madders :rofl: unless there are some others I haven't heard about, but I doubt it. I like madders: they are "clean", transparent and very compatible/ mixable with other colours, like French Ultramarine for example.
As for the rest of the colours - actually, don't I have that many, really. As a beginner the temptation to buy everything you can lay your hands on is very great, and from that stage I have 20 year old tubes of paint laying around - still half-full but all on the "useless" list. I suppose I should try using them up.... when mixing black! :laughing:
What I really use nowadays are mainly 6 reds, 4 greens, 5 yellows, 6 earth tones and 10 blues, plus a few "weird"/hard to mix ones like turquoise.
Neutral Tint - yes, I've got that one; saw it, probably had the same reaction as you: "Neutral tint?? What the....??".
It's simply a gray and, as the name implies, completely neutral, so it mixes well with other colours, like if you want a reddish gray, or a yellowish gray etc.. Undiluted it makes a good black. It is rather practical but not essential: everything the neutral tint can do you can arrive at by mixing.
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karincharlotte Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2008   Traditional Artist
Hi Pat,
I always enjoy your messages. Thank you for sharing and answering my questions.
I do appreciate it.
I agree, it's probably better to start with only a few colours and add to that over time. Then again, I learned a lot from my mistakes over the years. I still have some really old tubes of paints. They still work. I tried them just recently. I had some Grumbacher brand paint tubes and some very old Holbein paints which were cheap when I bought them, and are still good.

I'm very spoiled for colour as well. Lots of different yellows, reds, blues and greens. I used to read about what some artist recommended, then think I have to go buy that colour. Then another artist would recommend another kind of blue, or red, and I'd go out and buy more. I'm still not sure which basic colours to recommend to my students. My basic colour list is still a work in progress.

I agree, you can pretty well mix a lot of lovely neutral grays, and even blacks. I do have two grays. Davey's gray, and payne's gray, but enjoy mixing my own with complimentary colours.
Anway, you do know everything in watercolour, don't you. Thanks for your help. :) :hug: :wave:
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p-e-a-k Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2008   Traditional Artist
Always glad to help, Karin! But you give me way too much credit: I most assuredly do not know everything about watercolour!!! :laughing: I'd even go so far as to say you never stop learning!

You are absolutely right: it is very difficult to advise beginners on which basic colours to buy first! I wouldn't know which ones to recommend either. I think everybody has to find their own palette by trial and error.

But here's one piece of advice you should give your students (I'd have been very grateful if someone had told me when I started out with watercolours):
As a beginner, buy only transparent colours at first! Avoid opaque colours like the cadmiums. Also be very careful with earth-tones, better yet avoid them completely; with the exception of Burnt Siena (which is transparent and mixes well) the others are opaque and/or secondary or even tertiary colours, and when you mix them they very quickly turn to MUD!

:wave: :D :hug:
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karincharlotte Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2008   Traditional Artist
Hey Pat, thank you for the great tip. I've heard it before, about the transparent colours, but never was told that it'sgood advice for beginners. ( I will defenitely pass it on to my students. )
Not only are you wise, but also very humble. These two character traits usually go together, I find.

It's good to hear you say that with watercolour you never stop learning. I think that's why I love them. There are always new vistas to discover. It's a bit of an adventure and a challenge to get to know this diverse medium.

What brand of paints do you use? I mainly like Winsor & Newton, but have also tried other brands, like Art Spectrum (An Aussi brand) , Lucas (made in Berlin), and Holbein. One brand I hear is good is Schminke, and will try them one day...but for now I have way too many paints, which I need to use up.

I also find one of the challenges is to get to know the personalities and characteristics of different paints. I think I'll go in my studio, and find all my transparents, and keep them separate. Thanks for reminding me of this important point.
Love and hugs,
Karin :heart: :hug: :wave:
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p-e-a-k Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2008   Traditional Artist
You really are too nice, dear Karin, and if you go on in this vein I might come to believe it myself.... and "humble" will be going out the window! :lmao:

I use Winsor & Newton - they are the only really good watercolour paints available here. Sometimes you can find Linel or Rembrandt (both French) but their tubes are tiny with fiddly little tops that drive me nuts!

You make a very good point there regarding getting to know the characteristics of different paints. I think that is one of the most important things you need to do: "learn" your paints - so you'll know straight away which ones are transparent, which ones are not, and which ones mix with what.
This is all stuff nobody thinks of telling you as a beginner and in most books it isn't mentioned either. They all just keep belaboring the fact that "watercolour is the most difficult medium" etc. etc. and bla-bla. And I say: Rubbish! Not if you have the necessary basic info!
Another important point: If you want to keep your colours nice and clean and transparent..... use clean water! Don't have just one container of water, have 2, or better yet, 3! I just had this discussion with a friend of mine who was having trouble with "dirty" colours.... it never crossed her mind that maybe her dirty water was to blame.
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:hug:s back!
Pat
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karincharlotte Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2008   Traditional Artist
Ha, ha...how can anyone be too nice? I'm always nice to nice people who are nice to me... I can be a bitch, too. Just ask my husband. Ha, ha...

Listen to us, we sound like a couple of watercolour geeks, ha, ha. I love talking to someone who is just as interested in watercolour as I am, and the special bonus is that you are more experienced, so I can learn a lot from you. Thank you so much for being willing to share of your time and experience.

Yes, the watercontainer thing is so important. It's such a simple thing, but one of those things that makes all the difference. I use at least two, but sometimes three containers... I tell my students, you need at least two containers. One to wash your brush, the other one for clean water. Another good thing (which I often forget), is to have a test strip, to test the paint before applying to your work.

I must have about 30 plus books just about watercolour, and it never ceases to amaze me how diverse this medium is. There are so many different ways and approaches.. I plan to explore all methods and enjoy the journey of discovery. Maybe in about 8 or 10 years I'll reach that level of confidence/competence, where I can paint anything with ease.
But meanwhile, I'm just going to enjoy playing with my paints and make lots of blunders along the way.... :D
Thank you, Pat! So glad I met you! :hug:
PS. My tip for fiddly little tops...I always use my teeth to open those tight lids...seems to work well. :D
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p-e-a-k Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2008   Traditional Artist
Aiiiiaaaaa - fiddly little tops plus teeth!?!? And then you'll be foaming at the mouth in..... GREEN?!?
:rofl:
Seriously though, have a bit of a care: some paints are poisonous, like cadmium yellow.... and I want to be able to have many more watercolour discussions with you! ;) :hug:
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Rhed-Dawg Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2008
It's beautiful, that's what really madders! :lol: sorry I just couldn't resist the pun!
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p-e-a-k Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2008   Traditional Artist
Many thanks for the :+fav: :hug: and don't worry, everybody seems to be going madder than hatters and punning away for all they are worth! :laughing:
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Rhed-Dawg Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2008
:rofl: I'm glad I'm not the only one!
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emey Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2008  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
fantastic one...lovely contrasts.....:-)
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p-e-a-k Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2008   Traditional Artist
Thank you! :D
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emey Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2008  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
U R WELCOME>>>>:-)
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j0rosa Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2008  Professional Traditional Artist
very lovely colours :)
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p-e-a-k Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2008   Traditional Artist
Thanks! :hug:
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j0rosa Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2008  Professional Traditional Artist
pleasure :glomp:
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klazien Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2008
Very well done ! I'm also thinking they are Rudbeckia's.
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p-e-a-k Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2008   Traditional Artist
Oh, good! Thank you, dear klazien! :hug:
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klazien Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2008
:hug: :D
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Venet Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2008
sehr schoene Farbkomposition.
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p-e-a-k Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2008   Traditional Artist
Danke! :D
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PhantomPorks Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2008
... madder as hell?
... madder than a hatter? would that be worse than a mad hatter?
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p-e-a-k Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2008   Traditional Artist
:rofl:
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ColourWheel Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2008
Beautiful Pat :clap: :blowkiss:
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p-e-a-k Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2008   Traditional Artist
Thanks, Karen, and big :hug: for the :+fav:! :D
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dove-51 Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2008  Hobbyist Photographer
It's gorgeous. :)
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p-e-a-k Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2008   Traditional Artist
I'm delighted you like it - many thanks for the :+fav:! :D
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dove-51 Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2008  Hobbyist Photographer
Your welcome. :)
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